by Dietrich Schmitz
I am not perfect. I make mistakes. But I try to learn from my experiences. Hopefully, as you grew up you took all those mistakes and have filed them into a brain folder of things you know you won't ever do again because either they are painful or just not appropriate to a situation or both.
Take for example how you go about doing your daily errands in public. For one, you don't wear a ski mask. Oh no. That is probably not a good idea lest someone get the wrong impression. Right?
Nor, do you approach a person who you don't know and begin shouting insults at them. For one, it's not good manners and it will most likely escalate to face meets fist. This is obvious and for the most part it never happens in a public place setting.
Yet, if you go on the Internet, the situation can be different. Why don't common courtesies and good manners prevail there? Why is it that people uncharacteristically exhibit bad behavior on the Internet yet may be perfectly likable in person?
I had an interesting exchange with one individual
+Fabian Scherschel the other day. Previously, I had a different impression of him. But his behavior was both odd and a good example of how people feel they are not accountable for their actions on the Internet. I'll let you read the thread that ensued and decide for yourself as to whether this person has some growing up to do:
Fabian ScherschelApr 13, 2013
There is no controversy. Unlike PA, it was adopted when it was ready to be adopted and everybody seems to like it very much. With the exception of the Ubuntu people but that seems to be based on NIH alone. This is a completely different situation then PA.
Fabian ScherschelApr 13, 2013
Fedora, Mageia, SUSE, Arch and several other distros are using it. And I have not heard of major problems with it ever since Fedora switched to it. It's faster than SysV and Upstart and does some very cool things.
Apart from a few idiots who do not like the log file format and complain about silly things such as new root directories, what problem are there, really?
Fabian ScherschelApr 13, 2013
Pulse Audio is a completely different kettle of fish. It was very badly broken when Ubuntu adopted it originally. I have about 50 podcast episodes to prove it too....
Fabian ScherschelApr 13, 2013
Internet comments aren't a measure of anything. Especially since a site with that name will always be a self-reinforcing echo chamber. I run a podcast called "Linux Outlaws", I know how it goes. I am constantly fighting that phenomenon....
Andrew WyattApr 13, 2013 (edited)
ConsoleKit + UDev + Syslog + DBus + Polkit + Sysinit + this + that. RedHat Enterprise Systemd is the best product we've ever been force fed. We are facing being forced to integrate it at Fuduntu because it's replacing so many core tools now that it's impossible to continue the project without it.
Those "idiots" that don't like binary logs aren't "idiots", some of us actually have some idea of what we are talking about, but what do I know..
Ikey DohertyApr 13, 2013
Hate to say it but PulseAudio was actually the fault of the distros implementing it
Ikey DohertyApr 13, 2013
Lol don't worry, I intend to. SolusOS 2 is using systemd ^^
Chris AhlstromApr 14, 2013
+Andrew Wyatt The first question that comes to mind about the log format is "how many log analysis tools does it break"? The second question is, why the F make it binary -- that's a Microsoft thang!
Fabian ScherschelApr 14, 2013
You people are still bitching about the log format? Jesus Christ. You're supposed to be Linux geeks. Write a fucking script! You are acting as if it's a proprietary format.
Fabian ScherschelApr 14, 2013
The point being what? That you hate change? I bet you're still using HAL, eh?
Andrew WyattApr 14, 2013
Now you are just trolling, or an idiot.
Fabian ScherschelApr 14, 2013
Says the guy with the distro that nobody gives a rat's ass about. What exactly are you complaining about anyway? You have upstart and sysv init. Nobody is forcing anybody to use systemd. My only point is that the comparison to PA is bull. Back when PA was new, the problem wasn't if a fucking log format was binary or text, it was more like you couldn't record any audio on your system at all with the wrong hardware. Call me when 20% of systems don't boot at all with systemd. Or if anyone actually starts using your distro. I am perfectly happy with my logs as they are and I can dump them into plain text for anything that breaks.
Andrew WyattApr 14, 2013
Oh, I see you are trolling and an idiot. My mistake. :)
Fabian ScherschelApr 14, 2013
Oh dear, I am so offended. How will I be able to sleep at night.... LOL
Andrew WyattApr 14, 2013
It's only April 14th, and we've had 3.5m hits to our website and mirror, I guess there are a few no-ones that care just a little about it. :)
Dietrich SchmitzApr 14, 2013
Of all people, I'd expect perfect behavior, temperance and restraint from you Fabian. Please restrain yourself.
The analogy to PulseAudio is a good one. Even if inaccurate or open to question, it makes a point. Any work done on this level is going to be 'contentious', unless handled carefully, pragmatically, and SLOWLY.
As Aaron used the reference, I see it all the more appropriate and if it engendered a knee-jerk reaction, then in part the story succeeds in making those in the community pull back and think.
I'd agree with Aaron that there is at present overreaching ambition and the pace of change is too quick and would be better if put in the hands of someone other than Lennart to manage.
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Andrew WyattApr 14, 2013
You shouldn't expect anything more
+Dietrich Schmitz they simply can't handle anyone that doesn't tow the line, and they prove it time and time again. Challenge them in any way and they resort to this sort of behavior because they can't form a legitimate argument in their own defense. Take his argument apart and it simply fails, you are forced to use systemd or you have to take on the burden of supporting all of the various components they are force-deprecating yourself. It's an impossible task, and they know it.
Dietrich SchmitzApr 14, 2013
+Andrew Wyatt Fabian is a writing colleague and I expect restraint from both sides; no personalizations. NONE.
Fabian ScherschelYesterday 11:46 AM
Never expect restraint from me. Seriously. I always say exactly what I think, nothing more nothing less. I never claim to be 100% right, I just always give it my best shot.
Dietrich SchmitzYesterday 11:50 AM
+Fabian Scherschel You (and Andrew) were rude and used inappropriate language. That was not your best shot.
You can and should both apologize for your behavior.
Fabian ScherschelYesterday 11:55 AM
Oh yes, I am quite rude. Australian upbringing. It's somewhat of a national sport there. I didn't even try BTW, I could be a lot more insulting if I actually give it a shot.
Dietrich SchmitzYesterday 11:59 AM
+Fabian Scherschel That is rather immature and disappointing. That is not acceptable behavior.
Are you being belligerent for any special reason?
Fabian ScherschelYesterday 12:03 PM
Insults are just words. I prefer to concentrate on important things. Being offended is basically a personal choice. It's not like people on the internet are nice to me all day. Why should I be nice? I'm not a theist so basically there's no point from where I stand.
Dietrich SchmitzYesterday 12:08 PM
+Fabian Scherschel I don't care about your point of view. It's your behavior I am talking about. Take ownership.
You have a chance to redeem yourself.
Simply apologize and we can put this issue to rest.
Fabian ScherschelYesterday 12:15 PM
You are not my mother. You have absolutely no right to judge me. I can be as insulting as I want. Especially since I am not talking as "a professional" here. This is my personal account and I say what I want here. If you want my professional opinion, go and read The H. :)
Dietrich SchmitzYesterday 12:19 PM
+Fabian Scherschel I am afraid you are incorrect. You are in full view 'public' and must conduct yourself accordingly.
This is being recorded for future reference and you are responsible for all of your behavior regardless of location, including what you say to others here at Google Plus.
Now, mind you this is an individual who writes for H-Online. He's right. I am not his Mother, but he is accountable, not just in public, but on Google Plus too.
I really am tired of people behaving badly and who simply are doing it with impunity as though they are not accountable for themselves. It's wrong. Take responsibility on the Internet 'the same way' you do in public. Be a good Netizen.
-- Dietrich
